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--- grammar_mood [2022/11/28 19:22] – clarification for hortative variants morgoth
+++ grammar_mood [2026/07/19 01:19] (current) – clarification about Subjunctive mood morgoth
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 ^ :::      ^ :::         ^ Modal ^ Main ^ in dependent/\\ conditional clause ^ ::: ^
 ^  Deontic (what should be )  ||||||
-| Comissive | promises and vows | -   | FUT        | -      | I shall help you = Dabhok__ub__am |
+| Comissive | promises and vows | -   | FUT        | -      | I shall help you = Dabhok__ub__ fizûr |
 | :::       | :::      | ::: | any + INF | -   | I have sworn to find the ring = Dagazduz gimb__ut__ nazgum |
-| :::       | :::      | ::: | PRES       | FUT | I will find the ring, I promise you = Dagimb__ub__ nazgum dafadam |
+| :::       | :::      | ::: | PRES       | FUT | I will find the ring, I promise you = Dagimb__ub__ nazgum dafad fizûr |
 | :::       | threats  | ::: | FUT        | -      | I will kill you! = Dadog__ub__am |
 | :::       | :::      | ::: | :::           | :::    | You will eat your own guts! = Fithrokh__ub__ hosh îmob |
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 | Hortative | encouragement or invitation to 2nd person (adhortative / dehortative) | gâkh.IMP / ilf.IMP (may) | INF | any | You might go with us, it will be fun! = __Gâkh__ fizûr ukh__ut__ daksha, kub glaz!((Please note transformation into impersonal sentence by putting "you" = "fi" into dative case)) |
 | ::: | Demanding, tenacious request (exhortative / inhortative)((may cognate with Necessitative modality, see below)). | maug.IMP (must, ought to, have to, shall, should) | INF | any | You should really go to that place! = __Maug__ ukh__ut__ fizûr zîginu |
-| ::: | plea of absolute urgency (suprahortative / infrahortative)((may cognate with Imperative, see above)) | | IMP | any | Please help us! We are dying! = Bhokak dahas! Dakmatrad! ((lit. "Help us, I plead! We are dying now!")) |
+| ::: | plea of absolute urgency (suprahortative / infrahortative)((may cognate with Imperative, see above)) | | IMP | any | Please help us! We are dying! = Bhok dakûr dahas! Dakmatrad! ((lit. "Help to us, I plead! We are dying now!")) |
 | ::: | encourage or discourage targeted person(s) to do something together with the speaker (cohortative, propositive), usually starts with //gâkh// ("let's", "let us"): | | | | |
 | ::: | encouragement for regular action | gâkh.IMP | INF | | Let's go! = __Gâkh__ ukh__ut__! |
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 | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | | I need to eat = Dabolk throkh__ut__ |
 | ::: | The same with [[grammar_gerundive|Gerundives]] and impersonal constructions (like "it's necessary", "it's important" and others) instead of modal verbs, more laconical way | | GERV | | It's important that orcs capture these hobbits = Hormarz dik__at__ kudugza urukirzi((lit. "Importantly these hobbits to be captured by orcs")) |
-| ::: | Order or command was not directly from speaker but through some mediate person. Speaker did not issued the command, but only repeat order of 3rd person. Main sentence explains who gave the order using such verbs as "command", "order", "demand", "insist", "request", "recommend", "propose", "suggest", "expect". Similar to Desiderative, but with sense of obligation like Imperative, and explicit using of objective "you" (//af//, //am//) | | any | GERV | Morgoth demands that you were there by next morning = Morgoth thukhulâtaf __kulat__ zîgin ik ânshabirzi((Morgoth over-request=2PL.OBJ be.GERV there before morning=next=by)) |
+| ::: | Order or command was not directly from speaker but through some mediate person. Speaker did not issued the command, but only repeat order of 3rd person. Main sentence explains who gave the order using such verbs as "command", "order", "demand", "insist", "request", "recommend", "propose", "suggest", "expect". Similar to Desiderative, but with sense of obligation like Imperative, and explicit using of objective "you" (//af//, //am//) | | any | GERV | Morgoth demands that you were there by next morning = Morgoth thukhûlâtaf __kulat__ zîgin ik ânshabirzi((Morgoth over-request=2PL.OBJ be.GERV there before morning=next=by)) |
 |  Volitive (desire, wishes and hope)  ||||||
 | Optative / Benedictive | wish somebody something | gâkh.IMP | IMP | | May the force be with you! = __Gâkh__ balum kul fisha |
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 | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | = Da __irmulg__ lagdab __kulg__ zin |
 | ::: | wish that somebody will do something, similar to Jussive but without obligation | ::: | ::: | GERV | Master wants you to find the ring = Goth hiz__ât__af gimb__at__ nazgum |
-| ::: | wish action to happen, wish to be able to do an action | ::: | INF | - | I want (to go/be) out = Da__hiz__ ukh__ut__ lût |
+| ::: | wish action to happen, wish to be able to do an action | ::: | INF | - | I want (to go/be) out = Da__hiz__ ukh__ut__ lûtor |
 | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | He wants <del>to</del> fly = Ta__hiz__ skoir__ut__ |
 | ::: | the same as above but without using modal verbs | | SJV | - | I would drink! = Dashog__ulg__ |
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 | Speculative | In contrast to Assumptive modality, speaker has no evidence or prerequisites for his statement. Similar to Hypothetical and Conditional-Counterfactual. | pâsh (can) / ilf (may) / kul (be) in SJV | INF | | The hobbits could stole it! = Kudug __pâshulg__ orsk__ut__an |
 | [[mood_subjunctive|Subjunctive]] | In simple clauses without modal verbs. Similar to hypothetical and conditional-counterfactual. Similar to expression "(one) want (do something)" but indicates that something prevents / prevented the wish from happening (see Desiderative modalities). | | (any) | SJV | I would drink = Dashog__ulg__ |
-| ::: | In dependent clauses in combination with other modalities (e.g. presumptive), usually after conjunctions "so that", "in order that" or just "that". Also in conditional sentences (see Conditional modality) | | ::: | ::: | I suppose that orcs won = Daton zamash uruk faik__ulg__ |
+| ::: | In dependent clauses in combination with other modalities (e.g. presumptive), usually after conjunctions "so that", "in order that" or just "that". Also in conditional sentences (see Conditional modality) and after expressions like "I suppose", "I think", etc. | | ::: | ::: | I suppose that orcs won = Daton zamash uruk faik__ulg__ |
 | ::: | In comparisons (as if, like) | | ::: | ::: | You speak so as if I did something wrong = Figashn zash ghung dakramp__ulg__ ashmûd firk |
 | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | Dragon looked at hobbit like he were going to eat him = Lûg honuzâ kudugu oth tapant__ulg__ thrakutan |
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 | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | Who did this? = Mai __mar__krampuz za? |
 | ::: | Alternative questions | | INT + (any) | INT + (any) | Did you go to the forest or did you return home? = Fi__mar__ukhuz taushi ogh fi__mar__kruskâtuz mokh? |
-| ::: | ::: | ::: | INT + any tense | | Did you go left or right? = Fi__mar__ukhuz farkh ogh forg? |
+| ::: | ::: | ::: | INT + any tense | | Did you go left or right? = Fi__mar__ukhuz farkhu ogh forgu? |
 | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | To be or not to be = Markulut ogh narmarkulut? |
 | ::: | Disjunctive questions | | (any) | INT((repeat main verb or use just prefix "mar" standalone)) | You killed that dragon, didn't you? = Fidoguz zîg lûg, fi__mar__doguz? = Fidoguz zîg lûg, __mar__? |
 | ::: | Combination with other modalities | | INT + (any) | | Will you kill the dragon? ((with Inferential/Potential modality)) = Fi__mar__dog__ub__ lûgum? |
 | ::: | ::: | INT + (any) | any((according to other modality)) | | Can you kill the dragon? = Fi__marpâsh__ dogut lûgum? |
-|  Dependent circumstances  ||||||
+^  Dependent circumstances  ||||||
 | Dynamic((included into deontic group of modalities in some classifications)) | (can/will) | pâsh.PRES (can) | INF | | I can sing (right now) = Da__pâsh__ lash__ut__ |
 | ::: | ::: | pâsh.PST (could) | INF | | I could sing (in the past) = Da__pâshuz__ lash__ut__ |
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 | Conditional | the complex sentence consists of two parts: condition - starts with words "ghung" (= if) or "amil" (= when); action if condition is true. There are several combinations of probability of condition and action to happen: | | | | |
 | ::: | factual (both condition and action are regular or already happened in the past together) | | PRES | PRES | I sing when I drink = Dalash amil dashog |
-| ::: | predictive (similar to potential and comissive modalities) - in sentences about future | | FUT | FUT | If he steals our food, we will kill him = Ghung ta orsk__ub__ throk dakob, dakdog__ub__an |
+| ::: | predictive (similar to potential and comissive modalities) -- in sentences about future | | FUT | FUT | If he steals our food, we will kill him = Ghung ta orsk__ub__ throk dakob, dakdog__ub__an |
 | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | If I (will) drink I will sing = Ghung dashog__ub__ dalash__ub__ |
 | ::: | predictive (when speaker is unsure if condition will happen, but if it does, the action will be almost real) | | FUT | SJV | If he should get the money he will buy a horse = Ghung tasnab__ulg__ draug, tatûz__ub__ lûkh |
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 | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | If I had a dragon, I would fight against Balrog = Ghung dabrus__ulg__ ash lûg, damauk__ulg__ bug Balrog |
 | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | ::: | Had I seen a trap, I would had alerted you = Ghung dahon__ulg__ ash hnûf, darazg__ulg__am |
-| ::: | counterfactual, used to translate expressions like "If I were you" (or someone were someone else) | ::: | ::: | ::: | If I were goblin, I would run from Balrog = Ghung da__kulg__ ash uruk, da irz__ulg__ Balrogbo |
+| ::: | counterfactual, used to translate expressions like "If I were you" (or someone were someone else), object in conditional clause should be in Essive case | ::: | ::: | ::: | If I were goblin, I would run from Balrog = Ghung da__kulg__ ash uruksi, da irz__ulg__ Balrogbo |
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